Sep 29 2008

Religious Intolerance

Published by bitheway at 11:56 pm under Bisexuality, Books and Films

I was reading a post on Lesbian Said What about Religious intolerance and amongst the comments was a post by some character called “Sane” who struck me as being totally insane. His argument against Gay Marriage was so laughably bigoted I had to repost it just to be sure I inhabit the same world.

“Sane” cites an article which is a synopsis of a book by Dr. James Dobson, called “Marriage Under Fire”. Dobson, a homophobe and evangelical Christian seems to be pretty dumb for a guy a with a PHD in psychology, so sit back and enjoy as a lay university drop-out (ie: me) savages his arguments. Which for the record, can be found here: http://nosamesexmarriage.com/marriage/nogaymarriage.php

Argument #1. Same Sex Marriage Decays Families

Dobson cites the example of Scandinavia where half of all children are born out of wedlock. OK - what has this got to do with same-sex couples? After all same-sex relationships don’t produce children! I think we can squarely lay the blame for this statistic on the straight community.

Argument #2. Gay Marriage Will Lead to Polygamy

Actually this hasn’t proved to be the case at all. Gay marriage and civil partnerships where available, have largely been taken up by monogamous couples. We’ve had several years of legal “gay marriage” in various countries and to date, no-one has ever been charged with Polygamy, ie: marrying more than one person, (an offence under UK, European and US law) whereby the offender was married or in a civil-partnership with someone of the same sex.

To be honest Dobson here I think is confusing polygamy with polyamorous relationships, and as I’ve already stated it tends to be monogamous couples who take advantage of civil partnerships or gay marriage. The incidence of married polyamorous gay couples seems to be about the same as the incidence of polyamorous straight couples. Don’t believe me? Join a swingers club.

Argument #3. States Will No Longer Protect Marriage

Actually legalising gay marriage is all about protecting partnerships and giving gay, lesbian and bisexual couples the same legal rights as straight couples. How can we accused of undermining marriage when we are actually trying to encourage it?

Contrary to Dobson’s theory that it will make divorce easier. As far as gay marriage its concerned when it comes to divorce settlements, it actually makes it harder for gay couples to separate without financial consequences and gay-marriage actually rewards same-sex couples for staying together.

Argument #4. Children Will Be Taught Perversion

I choked on my cocoa when I read this one… Homosexuality and Bisexuality are not perversions. What gives Dobson the right to declare it so? Its such a backward view I almost can’t believe its been published, its right up there with the view that “the world is flat.” Dobson is a psychologist, so I’ll counter with the view of a far more respected and eminent psychologist, namely Sigmund Freud. Freud believed we were all inherently bisexual and that it was societies norms and expectations that made us predominantly straight. If you define perversion by what is ‘normal’, as opposed to what is ‘natural’, then Dobson may have a point, but I’ll opt to respect nature over societies social constructs, when I start to describe things as perversions.

My increasing opinion is that Freud was right and heterosexuality is a perversion of nature perpetrated by society and religion. Children aren’t born with prejudice, they get that from adults, so by teaching them that straight is great and queer is weird I think we are perverting their minds.

Argument #5. Children Will Be Placed in Gay Households

So what? Gay and Bisexual people have been parenting children since time began, especially in times that didn’t allow them to be open or honest with themselves or others about their sexuality. Over half of my gay and bisexual friends are parents. Their kids are fine.

Oh and please don’t think this is a contradiction of Argument #1. Gay people produce kids, not same-sex couple’s… can all the small minded bigots out there keep up?

Argument #6. Parents Will Be Required to Accept Homosexuality in Their Children

Er… yes that’s the general idea… In particular Dobson seems to reference foster parents of gay children, who will aparently have to undergo “sensitivity training” so they can be accepting of gay youths. You know what I think? If you need sensitivity training to accept LGBT teens, you shouldn’t be a foster parent!

Argument #7. Gay Partners Will Burden the Government Entitlement System

I love this one… its so ill thought out, its like a lazy slow ball begging to be hit out of the ground. Dobson wants us all to be straight, so in his utopia there will be 6 Billion straight people all wanting to get married and have two point four children under wedlock. Each couple claiming benefits under government entitlement systems for married couples.

Until recently people in same sex relationships have been letting the government off the hook. Their “gayness” was a get out of jail free card for the benefits system. Imagine the burden the system would be under if all these gay, lesbian and bisexual people went straight. Could you imagine the claims?

Instead, we opted for Gay Marriage… Why? Because its cheaper!!! Yes thanks to Gay Marriage, same-sex couples have the same pension rights, and tax allowances as straight couples, but as we’ve already established gay-couples don’t produce children, so the government doesn’t have to pay for paternity leave, both partners can invariably remain in full employment for their full working lives and actually contribute more to the treasury in terms of income tax and social security than a straight couple. Best of all due to the absence of children they can at the same time be less of a burden on the system.

Argument #8. Gay Marriage Will Spread Quickly to Other Countries

Good. What’s the problem again?

Argument #9. Evangelism Will Be Hindered

Again Good. What’s the problem with that? If this is the kind of thoughtless bullshit evangelism produces then frankly its rather hindering itself without any help from the LGBT community.

Argument #10. The Culture Will Be Anti-Christian

Yet again good, though more specifically culture will be anti-Abrahamic religions, which include Judaism, Islam and Christianity. In short, more secularism. Great! Sorry, but I just don’t see any of the last 3 points as a negative.

This is intended as a scare tactic to mobilise the zealously religious parts of the USA, politically being “Anti-Christian” is almost as bigger slur as being a “liberal”. But frankly I don’t have a problem being “Anti-Christian” if being “Pro-Christian” means I have to be bigoted homophobe that believes in the rather dubious morality of the Old Testament. Which for those of you who don’t know is where the Christian prohibition of homosexuality originates, along with other such gems as executing children who curse their parents, stoning adulterers to death and massacring women and children. Yep its all in the old testament. Yet curiously the only part of it which hasn’t been disowned by the church is the bit about homosexuality.

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5 Responses to “Religious Intolerance”

  1. queerunityon 30 Sep 2008 at 3:51 am

    “If this is the kind of thoughtless bullshit evangelism produces then frankly its rather hindering itself without any help from the LGBT community.”
    LOL

  2. needleon 30 Sep 2008 at 3:59 am

    Thank you so much for this well-thought-out, well-reasoned post. I watched that argument with such trepidation, but you refuted all of “Sane”’s points beautifully. Bookmarking and sending to others, thank you.

  3. Cearaon 30 Sep 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Thank you for posting this. You are so much more eloquent than I.

    C.

  4. Tiresiason 04 Oct 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Great post. Most arguments I’ve heard against gay marriage are fallacious or hypocritical, and you illustrate Dobson’s fallacies well. Opponents of gay marriage are on the wrong side of history, and future generations will likely see ant-gay rhetoric as akin to 19th-century arguments against interracial marriage.

    Perhaps we should make a distinction between legal and ecclesiastical marriage. If some fundamentalist congregation doesn’t want to marry two men, fine. Many religious groups have their own special requirements for marriage, but those restrictions need not apply to people outside their church.

    I understand resentment against anti-gay hate, religious and otherwise. Nevertheless, I wouldn’t paint all Christians with the same brush. Not all Christians are fundamentalist, evangelical, or anti-gay. At least one large group (the MCC Church) actively includes GLBT people in every respect. I’m not trying to promote that or any other church. I just want to be fair-minded because I think pitting GLBT acceptance against religion trivializes both and makes it harder, not easier, for GLBT people to win the acceptance we deserve. Fundamentalists and bigots get the most press, but James Dobson not speak for all Christians any more than Roy Cohn speaks for all queer folks.

    Despite that minor disagreement, I appreciate your post, and I enjoy visiting your blog. To read regular thoughts about bisexual concerns is fantastic. I look forward to reading from you again.

  5. Glennisha Morganon 05 Oct 2008 at 11:48 pm

    I hate these dumb ass irrational, ignorant, and fearful reasons to not allow Gay marriage. This type of ignorance is one of the main reasons why I absolutely can’t stand religion and it’s bullshit!

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